Well said. If Olin ever got his head straightened out he would indeed be a "valuable" resource. The most hilarious thing I have seen him post was the want ad for a junior engineer. Talk about a "dream" job. Wonder why there was a vacancy? Maybe sombody like Ken Pergola could "pre-screen" has responses? As with all things in life, if Olin disappeared there would be others that would fill the void, perhaps even filling it in a better way, Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Adam Davis" To: Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [PIC]: Olin has been Deleted! (was insuccesses) > > "You're being an idiot, and I don't have time to waste on idiots. > -Olin Lathrup, 2004 > > If you think this particular contribution to this list was not an > extreme lack of etiquette then your version of etiquette is very similar > to Olin's. This is not the first time he's written this, or a > substantially similar, "you are x, I don't have time for x" replies > where x is usually a degrading insult. > > > ...some bozo was trying to tell us... > -Olin Lathrup, 7/8/2003 > > Of Olin's prolific contributions to this list a significant percentage > has /no/ value beyond indicating his disdain for the post he was > replying to. If you truly believe that one should not react to a post > which is offensive then you should also believe Olin should not react to > posts which will cause him to contribute nothing but vitriol. > > > If you're not sure what that means, ask mommy when she comes to check > on you playing with the 'puter. Does mommy know you're on the 'puter again? > -Olin Lathrup, 8/10/2003 > > Of nearly /every/ useful and informative post that Olin has made, > someone else has been able to contribute or elaborate on the same > information Olin provided. > > > if this were third grade, you would get a gold star sticker now > -Olin Lathrup, 8/15/2003 > > Doubtless Olin has some specific experience and information which is of > value, but as you can see by looking through the archives the same > questions will be answered even if he's gone. This information provided > by the members of the list will continue just as well as it has during > Olin's time with us. > > > Please have mommy set up your email so that your messages aren't sent > in those "attachment" thingies. > -Olin Lathrup, 9/12/2003 > > I neither agree nor disagree with Jame's decision to remove Olin from > the list. I do agree that Olin has had plenty of time and plenty of > extremely precise warnings, and that James has acted entirely within his > realm of responsability in removing Olin. There is no reason to keep > Olin on this list when it has been made so excruciatingly clear to him > that this type of posting is not acceptable and yet he still flaunts his > disregard for these warnings and the members of the list. I understand > that for many cultures and people his actions may pass off as humor, > however there is and must be a baseline for behavior on a list which > cuts across so many cultures. That line has been drawn, he has been > warned, and he has easily cleared it and then some in his most recent > 50-meter sprint. > > The only thing Olin has that few others on the list have is, apparently, > copious amounts of free time to provide insulting, useless responses to > messages which he should simply ignore. I hate to see him go, but he is > obviously unwilling or unable to stop personal attacks and blatantly > condescending remarks. > > -Adam > > Robert Mash wrote: > > >I agree. > >Olin is a very direct person. Interpret his personality however you choose > >to, but I don't think his contributions are lacking in ettiquette in any > >extreme manner. There's been no swearing and screaming here. There have > >been no inbox-filling back and forth exchanges... > >Folks, if you percieve a person's comments as rude, you don't have to react. > > This list is about sharing ideas and information, not posturing and > >face-saving. > >It's not about egos it's about electrons. > >Bring Olin back. > > > >Robert Mash > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "adastra" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 4:11 AM > >Subject: Re: [PIC]: Olin has been Deleted! (was insuccesses) > > > > > > > > > >>I have changed the subject of this post because I think that many people > >>who may not have been following the original thread will want to weigh > >>in on this. > >> > >>I personally think that James' assertion that "No amount of excellent > >>advice is worth being called an idiot" is simply absurd. Olin is > >>obviously one of the most valuable and prolific contributors to this > >>list and certainly has earned a bit of extra grace in my book. > >> > >>In any case, the supposed cure is far out of balance with the offence. > >>I seriously doubt that the anonymous OP was psychologically damaged by > >>the suggestion that his request was idiotic... certainly not to the > >>extent of needing the list host's "protection." On the other hand, I > >>regard the loss of Olin's (mostly) very thoughtful and helpful input as > >>a very great loss indeed. And you might want to notice that unlike many > >>the ugly "flame wars" of the past, this was at least PIC related. > >> > >>I ask James to please reconsider this hasty and unwarranted action. > >> > >> Foster > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: pic microcontroller discussion list > >>> > >>> > >>[mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU] > >> > >> > >>>On Behalf Of James Newton, Host > >>>Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 8:43 PM > >>>To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > >>>Subject: FW: [PIC]: PIC18F8720 insuccesses > >>> > >>>Olin has been deleted from the PICList. > >>> > >>>No amount of excellent advice is worth being called an idiot. > >>> > >>> > >>>--- > >>>James. > >>> > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Olin Lathrop" > >>>To: > >>>Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 10:10 AM > >>>Subject: Re: [PIC]: PIC18F8720 insuccesses > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>No Religion wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>This is my code, as shown by IC-Prog: > >>>>>0000: D00F 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 > >>>>>0008: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 > >>>>>0010: 0000 0E00 6E92 6E93 6E94 6E95 6E96 6E97 > >>>>>0018: 6E98 6E99 6E9A 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 > >>>>>0020: 0EFF 6E80 6E81 6E82 6E83 6E84 6E85 6E86 > >>>>>0028: 6E87 6E88 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 > >>>>>0030: D7DE 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>You can't be serious! You actually expect someone else to > >>>> > >>>> > >>disassemble > >> > >> > >>>this? > >>> > >>> > >>>>Think again. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>And this is the configuration: > >>>>>Config1 = 2500 > >>>>>Config2 = 000F > >>>>>Config3 = 0080 > >>>>>Config4 = 0081 > >>>>>Config5 = C0FF > >>>>>Config6 = E0FF > >>>>>Config7 = 40FF > >>>>>ID Value = 0123456789ABCDEF > >>>>> > >>>>>Is there anything wrong in my machine code > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>I doubt to many people are going to waste time trying to find out. > >>>> > >>>> > >>Get > >> > >> > >>>>real. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>(for this quick test > >>>>>I don't want to nor I think I need to install MP-Lab. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>This is rediculous. You are asking for help with code you haven't > >>>> > >>>> > >>even > >> > >> > >>>>bothered to run past the MPLAB simulator. Come back when you've > >>>> > >>>> > >>done > >> > >> > >>>your > >>> > >>> > >>>>homework. Until then I've got better things to do. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>I tried it and hated it, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>What didn't you like? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>I will write my own source level debugger and > >>>>>assembler and release it to the PD after I'm finished). > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>I'm not holding my breath. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>It's supposed to be a BRA to 0010, where it will meet a NOP > >>>>>(no reason in particular) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>The preferred method is to wave a dead fish of the manual during a > >>>> > >>>> > >>full > >> > >> > >>>moon > >>> > >>> > >>>>and pick whatever instruction it drips on first. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Finally (through some NOPs, > >>>>>again, just to leave some space for inserting other code for > >>>>>experiments) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>This is going from the rediculous to the idiotic. With proper > >>>> > >>>> > >>assembler > >> > >> > >>>>source you could insert any number of instructions later. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Addresses don't represent bytes, but instruction words. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>Actually it's the other way around on the 18 family. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>I know it's tedious to go through machine code. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>Duh! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>but if you're kind enough, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>You're being an idiot, and I don't have time to waste on idiots. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Or, in alternative, could some kind soul post a small .HEX file > >>>>>with a demo program that just turns some port pins ON and some > >>>>>others OFF, just to see if my problem lies in my hardware or in > >>>>>my code? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>There are many samples out there, including a bunch on my own web > >>>> > >>>> > >>site. > >> > >> > >>>>However, they are all written in assembler so I won't bother you > >>>> > >>>> > >>with > >> > >> > >>>them. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>I hope to get your valuable help. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>I bet, but you won't get it until you respect my time. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>I really don't know what to experiment else. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>Write your code in assembler, then test it with the MPLAB simulator. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Once > >>> > >>> > >>>>you've taken reasonable steps to understand and diagnose the > >>>> > >>>> > >>problem, > >> > >> > >>>THEN > >>> > >>> > >>>>you can come back and ask again. Posting unsimulated raw machine > >>>> > >>>> > >>code > >> > >> > >>>will > >>> > >>> > >>>>just get you dismissed as an idiot. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>***************************************************************** > >>>>Embed Inc, embedded system specialists in Littleton Massachusetts > >>>>(978) 742-9014, http://www.embedinc.com > >>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList > >>>>mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu > >>>> > >>>> > >>>-- > >>>http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList > >>>mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu > >>> > >>> > >>-- > >>http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > >>[PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > >> > >> > >> > > > >-- > >http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > >[PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! 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