First the guy was asking for someone to decode his hex code and tell him what was wrong and then after he is chastised for not doing his homework he replies with ">>>>>I will write my own source level debugger and >>>>>assembler and release it to the PD after I'm finished). >>>>>" If he has the experience and expertise to do this then why was he asking for help in the first place. Apparently the person receiving Olin's supposed abuse was just as culpable. In this particular case I don't see what the big deal is, Olin was just giving as he was getting from the guy. -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU] On Behalf Of M. Adam Davis Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 10:13 AM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: [PIC]: Olin has been Deleted! (was insuccesses) > "You're being an idiot, and I don't have time to waste on idiots. -Olin Lathrup, 2004 If you think this particular contribution to this list was not an extreme lack of etiquette then your version of etiquette is very similar to Olin's. This is not the first time he's written this, or a substantially similar, "you are x, I don't have time for x" replies where x is usually a degrading insult. > ...some bozo was trying to tell us... -Olin Lathrup, 7/8/2003 Of Olin's prolific contributions to this list a significant percentage has /no/ value beyond indicating his disdain for the post he was replying to. If you truly believe that one should not react to a post which is offensive then you should also believe Olin should not react to posts which will cause him to contribute nothing but vitriol. > If you're not sure what that means, ask mommy when she comes to check on you playing with the 'puter. Does mommy know you're on the 'puter again? -Olin Lathrup, 8/10/2003 Of nearly /every/ useful and informative post that Olin has made, someone else has been able to contribute or elaborate on the same information Olin provided. > if this were third grade, you would get a gold star sticker now -Olin Lathrup, 8/15/2003 Doubtless Olin has some specific experience and information which is of value, but as you can see by looking through the archives the same questions will be answered even if he's gone. This information provided by the members of the list will continue just as well as it has during Olin's time with us. > Please have mommy set up your email so that your messages aren't sent in those "attachment" thingies. -Olin Lathrup, 9/12/2003 I neither agree nor disagree with Jame's decision to remove Olin from the list. I do agree that Olin has had plenty of time and plenty of extremely precise warnings, and that James has acted entirely within his realm of responsability in removing Olin. There is no reason to keep Olin on this list when it has been made so excruciatingly clear to him that this type of posting is not acceptable and yet he still flaunts his disregard for these warnings and the members of the list. I understand that for many cultures and people his actions may pass off as humor, however there is and must be a baseline for behavior on a list which cuts across so many cultures. That line has been drawn, he has been warned, and he has easily cleared it and then some in his most recent 50-meter sprint. The only thing Olin has that few others on the list have is, apparently, copious amounts of free time to provide insulting, useless responses to messages which he should simply ignore. I hate to see him go, but he is obviously unwilling or unable to stop personal attacks and blatantly condescending remarks. -Adam Robert Mash wrote: >I agree. >Olin is a very direct person. Interpret his personality however you choose >to, but I don't think his contributions are lacking in ettiquette in any >extreme manner. There's been no swearing and screaming here. There have >been no inbox-filling back and forth exchanges... >Folks, if you percieve a person's comments as rude, you don't have to react. > This list is about sharing ideas and information, not posturing and >face-saving. >It's not about egos it's about electrons. >Bring Olin back. > >Robert Mash > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "adastra" >To: >Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 4:11 AM >Subject: Re: [PIC]: Olin has been Deleted! (was insuccesses) > > > > >>I have changed the subject of this post because I think that many people >>who may not have been following the original thread will want to weigh >>in on this. >> >>I personally think that James' assertion that "No amount of excellent >>advice is worth being called an idiot" is simply absurd. Olin is >>obviously one of the most valuable and prolific contributors to this >>list and certainly has earned a bit of extra grace in my book. >> >>In any case, the supposed cure is far out of balance with the offence. >>I seriously doubt that the anonymous OP was psychologically damaged by >>the suggestion that his request was idiotic... certainly not to the >>extent of needing the list host's "protection." On the other hand, I >>regard the loss of Olin's (mostly) very thoughtful and helpful input as >>a very great loss indeed. And you might want to notice that unlike many >>the ugly "flame wars" of the past, this was at least PIC related. >> >>I ask James to please reconsider this hasty and unwarranted action. >> >> Foster >> >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: pic microcontroller discussion list >>> >>> >>[mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU] >> >> >>>On Behalf Of James Newton, Host >>>Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 8:43 PM >>>To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU >>>Subject: FW: [PIC]: PIC18F8720 insuccesses >>> >>>Olin has been deleted from the PICList. >>> >>>No amount of excellent advice is worth being called an idiot. >>> >>> >>>--- >>>James. >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Olin Lathrop" >>>To: >>>Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 10:10 AM >>>Subject: Re: [PIC]: PIC18F8720 insuccesses >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>No Religion wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>This is my code, as shown by IC-Prog: >>>>>0000: D00F 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 >>>>>0008: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 >>>>>0010: 0000 0E00 6E92 6E93 6E94 6E95 6E96 6E97 >>>>>0018: 6E98 6E99 6E9A 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 >>>>>0020: 0EFF 6E80 6E81 6E82 6E83 6E84 6E85 6E86 >>>>>0028: 6E87 6E88 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 >>>>>0030: D7DE 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>You can't be serious! You actually expect someone else to >>>> >>>> >>disassemble >> >> >>>this? >>> >>> >>>>Think again. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>And this is the configuration: >>>>>Config1 = 2500 >>>>>Config2 = 000F >>>>>Config3 = 0080 >>>>>Config4 = 0081 >>>>>Config5 = C0FF >>>>>Config6 = E0FF >>>>>Config7 = 40FF >>>>>ID Value = 0123456789ABCDEF >>>>> >>>>>Is there anything wrong in my machine code >>>>> >>>>> >>>>I doubt to many people are going to waste time trying to find out. >>>> >>>> >>Get >> >> >>>>real. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>(for this quick test >>>>>I don't want to nor I think I need to install MP-Lab. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>This is rediculous. You are asking for help with code you haven't >>>> >>>> >>even >> >> >>>>bothered to run past the MPLAB simulator. Come back when you've >>>> >>>> >>done >> >> >>>your >>> >>> >>>>homework. Until then I've got better things to do. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I tried it and hated it, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>What didn't you like? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I will write my own source level debugger and >>>>>assembler and release it to the PD after I'm finished). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>I'm not holding my breath. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>It's supposed to be a BRA to 0010, where it will meet a NOP >>>>>(no reason in particular) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>The preferred method is to wave a dead fish of the manual during a >>>> >>>> >>full >> >> >>>moon >>> >>> >>>>and pick whatever instruction it drips on first. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Finally (through some NOPs, >>>>>again, just to leave some space for inserting other code for >>>>>experiments) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>This is going from the rediculous to the idiotic. With proper >>>> >>>> >>assembler >> >> >>>>source you could insert any number of instructions later. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Addresses don't represent bytes, but instruction words. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Actually it's the other way around on the 18 family. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I know it's tedious to go through machine code. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Duh! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>but if you're kind enough, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>You're being an idiot, and I don't have time to waste on idiots. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Or, in alternative, could some kind soul post a small .HEX file >>>>>with a demo program that just turns some port pins ON and some >>>>>others OFF, just to see if my problem lies in my hardware or in >>>>>my code? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>There are many samples out there, including a bunch on my own web >>>> >>>> >>site. >> >> >>>>However, they are all written in assembler so I won't bother you >>>> >>>> >>with >> >> >>>them. >>> >>> >>>>>I hope to get your valuable help. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>I bet, but you won't get it until you respect my time. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I really don't know what to experiment else. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Write your code in assembler, then test it with the MPLAB simulator. >>>> >>>> >>>Once >>> >>> >>>>you've taken reasonable steps to understand and diagnose the >>>> >>>> >>problem, >> >> >>>THEN >>> >>> >>>>you can come back and ask again. Posting unsimulated raw machine >>>> >>>> >>code >> >> >>>will >>> >>> >>>>just get you dismissed as an idiot. >>>> >>>> >>>>***************************************************************** >>>>Embed Inc, embedded system specialists in Littleton Massachusetts >>>>(978) 742-9014, http://www.embedinc.com >>>> >>>>-- >>>>http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList >>>>mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu >>>> >>>> >>>-- >>>http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList >>>mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu >>> >>> >>-- >>http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: >>[PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads >> >> >> > >-- >http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: >[PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > > > > > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! 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