On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:41:00 -0600, Mike Hord wrote: >...< > I don't like the RJ-11 jack. It's bulky and hard to use with breadboards. > > So far, so good. I don't know for sure if I would ever design a product around the SIP header, though, because there's got to be a good reason they choose to use the RJ-11. > > Anyone know why? Well off the top of my head: It's easier to incorporate into the "Hockey puck" design of the ICD2 - a SIP header would be awkward and would have to exit the flat top/bottom, rather than radially, and it would be hidden inside an awkward rectangular hole; it's a consumer-grade connector, gold-plated, and strain-relieved, with a retention-clip, and impossible to insert backwards or offset, so it's likely to be more reliable than SIP; replacement cables are available everywhere, cheaply, in many different lengths - SIP-terminated cables are pretty-much DIY, needing special crimping tools or a soldering iron to connect wires to those fiddly little terminals; But you're quite right about using it with breadboards - that offset pattern of PCB pins is a right pain! Cheers, Howard Winter St.Albans, England -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads