>>And this is the configuration:
>>Config1  = 2500
>Main oscillator is source
>FOSC2 and FOSC0 set => EC oscillator w/ OSC2 as RA6

Hang on a minute. The OP must know this, else how did he provide the code in
the first place? I do have some sympathy with Olin's position, if not for
the way he spake it.

The OP has some code which must have been passed through some sort of
assembler - even if hand assembled. Why was the source code not published
instead of the hex code?? (or preferably both if it was hand assembled).

then later Russell wrote
>> At the same time he asks for help at a level that reveals that he does
>> not know much at all about microprocessors.
>
>He may surprise us.
>He has,
>- apparently built a PIC 18fxxx system and programmed a PIC therein.
>- correctly deduced the basic structure of PIC machine code (not many here
>even bother) and
>- written a largely correct small program
>- understood enough to insert NOPs to allow extra instructions to be
>inserted.
>- understood the far from trivial configuration words
>I think he's probably not a total beginner - just a very uniformed expert
>waiting to be encouraged and guided :-)

yep OK, but see my comments above, which I wrote before I got to your post.
If he does surprise us with his ability, then he would know that working in
the source code is a whole heap easier than working in the hex code domain.
Olin's comments on expecting others to disassemble the code seem quite
realistic to me if your stance is supported. working on Hex code is for
those who do not have access to the actual source vis a vis the recent
thread on defrauding machines.

>> So I think Olin's
>> reaction (and comments) are both fair and appropriate.
>
>Disagree on both points.
>But I'd still like to see him as a list member.

I would like to see him stay as a list member as well. However I do think
that Olin is one of those who "doth complain too much" at times with his
comments about "expect people who are busy to read this drivel" type posts.
There are times when he should just delete the post and go to the next one
instead of replying. There are plenty of us on the list who can (and
sometimes do) respond in a similar manner to these type of posts.

>> Olin's moodiness is well known on the list,
>
>A point to note is that an Olin broadside has often been the first
>response that a newcomer to the list has ever received. Several of
>these have been people for whom English was very very clearly a
>second language, as was the case in this instance. It's easy to
>drive such people away with such a first response when they MAY
>prove to be valuable members of the community AND we may prove to
>be a  valuable additions to their life.
...
>The chiefest problem I see with Olin is that he utterly insists on
>criticising people who he could just ignore. He insists on spending
>time and effort in abusing people for not wasting HIS time when he
>could leave them to others to deal with. Jinx did a reasonable brisk
>but humorous job of addressing the same points that Olin did. Others
>will certainly do similar for any "stupid" questions.

Which is what I am also saying above, and I think this is what has upset
James, to a point where he has leapt into the fray and removed Olin. I will
be sorry if Olin does not come back. However James and the other moderators
do have the thankless task of keeping the list clean and tidy. I don't know
what the legal situation would be with people calling names across
international boundaries, but we do not want to get to the point of finding
out.

>knowing the full circumstance we could be surprised: eg Just possibly
>(just possibly) the poster is old and stuck in a techo time warp. He
>may handle hex and machine code with aplomb
...
> He writes in raw machine code or uses an assembler ...

Well when I started in microprocessors I hand assembled everything because
assemblers were definitely not given away for free, they were well into the
4 digits type price, along with similar money for an 8 inch floppy drive
without controller ... But this takes us back to the top of this spiel of
mine. It does not excuse not posting the (supposed) source code, even for
hand assembled code.

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