I say give Olin another go.

His advice is quite often presented in just the right manner to 'jolt' a
person into seeing something that they should have known better.

 Which in this case may be appropriate, taking into consideration the OP's
apparent technical ability. Whilst Olin's manner may at times seem balls out
rude (I myself can and have been guilty of this) I think it is nonetheless
an important part of the list environment, variety is the spice of life and
well if a person cant handle being given a bit of a verbal lashing then
perhaps they should toughen up a bit in order to survive in life.

A fair while ago on list there was an engineer that posted a thorough sob
story and feeling utterly sorry for themselves. (if I remember
correctly)That person got a dose of both kind words and a thorough verbal
beating for being such a self pitying fool. It was the combination that
ended up snapping that person out of their depression and motivated them to
give it a real go. The point is, kind words are great when appropriate, but
if someone is deserving of it, then I say go ahead and give them a mouthful,
this is the big peoples world.....not kindergarten.
Olin didn't call the person a f%$king idiot after all.

By the way, what IS the other persons opinion on the matter, were they
offended and if so do they know how much benefit olins advice can be?

Just a note for the OP, anonymous names on list can tend to get the disdain
they deserve. This isn't a porn chat room, give people some respect and at
least tell them your real name (even first name).


Sometimes we just have to brave the cactus prickles to get the good bits.

Besides, sometimes Olin's posts almost have me in stitches laughing ;-).

Best regards to all,

Jonathan


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[mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Brian Clewer
Sent: Monday, 16 February 2004 9:53 PM
To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: [PIC]: PIC18F8720 insuccesses


James Wrote:

>
>
> Olin has been deleted from the PICList.
>
> No amount of excellent advice is worth being called an idiot.
>
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> ---
> James.
>

I think we all have bad days and Olin does seem to speak his mind without
thinking too much about how it will offend people.  Whilst I agree you
shouldn't call people an idiot (or any other names for that matter) I think
a suspension from the list would be more appropriate.  Over the years, I
think Olin has done more good than harm.  Perhaps there ought to be a
structure in place where you are warned if you behave inappropriately.  Do
it again and you are suspended and ultimately expelled.

I am sure that if Olin is allowed back, he is going to read the email back
before it is sent to make sure it's not going to purposely offend anyone.

I say give him another chance.

Brian.

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