To my knowledge that would be the 16F87 (or it's sister the '88 with ADC). It's relatively new. The M'chip line card lists it as an 18 pin device and self programming capable. To my knowledge none of the 12F parts are bootloadable. -Denny > Hello, > > Is there an 8 pin pic that you can program with the bootloader method? > > Thanks > > > What's the smallest, most basic pic that uses the bootloader? > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads