My distributor has added a whole bunch of dsPIC stuff to pricelist - chips, demoboards, software - C compiler, RTOS, V32 soft-modem, filter design etc. They say Microchip will start shipping the demoboards at the end of February. The cheapest programmer for dsPIC is ICD2. dsPIC30F5011-20I/PT TQFP ~$11 dsPIC30F6014-30I/PF TQFP ~$20 dsPIC30F2010-20I/SP SPDIP ~$6 MPLAB-C for dsPIC ~$950 CMX-RTX Full RTOS ~$3200 The pricelist is at http://www.chipcad.hu/download/arlista.zip Djula -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.