Colin Constant wrote: GND VCC CLK DAT VPP I just do the code and layout, KitsRus sell the hardware. You would have to check with them re cable. regards Tony -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads