One other fact I forgot to mention Target Vdd looks good now, using the ICD2 to power the PIC, reads 4.84 in both boards, but the 'bad' target Vpp is at 6.77 rather than 12.xx _________________________________________________________________ Find great local high-speed Internet access value at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body