Not directly, but I found and downloaded their demo in the hopes that it would come with a manual. The help file is there, but it's been edited to reflect the crippled demo version of proton+. Might be a good question to post to the PICBASIC forum: http://www.picbasic.co.uk/forum/ It's kind of a strange mix, the forum is actually for PBP, but it resides on Crownhill's web server (Crownhill makes proton+). But it's frequented by users of both, so I'd expect a more thorough response. Good luck -Denny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Palmed GmbH" To: Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [PIC:] Which is the best PICBASIC compiler and development environment? > Hello, Denny, > > same to me, I'm happy with PBP up to now, but want to have more infos about > Proton+. I contacted crownhill by email to send me a link where I can > download the manual of Proton+, but never got an answer. Do you know, where > to download the manual? > > Thanx in advance for help and best regards > > Peter > > PALMED GmbH > Zeppelinstr. 16 > D-89160 Dornstadt > Germany > > Tel. +49 - 7348 - 92 82 18 > Fax. +49 - 7348 - 92 82 20 > Email palmed@t-online.de > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denny Esterline" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 5:14 PM > Subject: Re: [PIC:] Which is the best PICBASIC compiler and development > environment? > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I normally program in asm but are looking for a rapid development > > language. > > > It is important that I can write USB code for the 16c745, I know I will > > > still have to edit the HID description etc manually but are looking for > > some > > > way to speed things up a little. > > > > > > I have found at least two PICBASIC compilers on the net, Proton and MEL. > > Are > > > there others? > > > Is there a clear winner in feature or performance (such as code size > > etc)? > > > I would prefer to pay for a commercial product to get ongoing > > development. > > > Cost is not important (within reason!). > > > > > > I am trying to avoid C if I can, I already know how to write Basic or > > > Pascal. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > Lee McLaren > > > > Well, I've used PBP from MEL for about a year now. And until last week I'd > > have recommended it without a thought. But a recent thread on the PBP list > > about "desired features" led me to take a good look at Proton+. As I > > understand it Proton+ has (and PBP doesn't) real function calls, 32 bit > > variables and floating point support. > > > > That's probably not enough to make me switch now, but I'll definitely keep > > an eye on it. > > > > The downside of PBP is they seem to be very slow at releasing new > features, > > and not many people are fond of their upgrade policy. (IIRC $25 for every > > upgrade, and you have to mail them your ORIGINAL disks, then they mail you > > an upgrade) > > > > The proton+ web site advertises free upgrades, but I've not actually dealt > > with them. > > > > PBP is by far the more common product, and you'll find much more in the > way > > of third party support and examples from other users. > > > > PBP is a command line only compiler. MEL makes an add on IDE, but > microCode > > Studio is a better tool. It's about $45, but it gives you bootloaders for > > all the capable chips and an in circuit debugger. (it's not hardware like > a > > microchip ICD or ICD 2, it's resident software and the same serial > > connection as the bootloader uses.) Not as effective as a hardware ICD, > but > > useful for setting breakpoints and watching variables and the like. Others > > might shy away from a bootloader, but for me at least, it accelerates the > > development cycle by several orders of magnitude. Right now I can hit the > > compile/download button and have code running on my chip in about 20 > > seconds. > > > > As to the USB, I've not used it in the MEL product, and I've not seen any > > mention of it in conjunction with proton+, so I can't be much help there. > > But it does seem that the basic consensus is that the Microchip USB chips > > are sorely lacking when compared to other vendors products, I haven't seen > > many projects use them. > > > > Hope that helps some. > > -Denny > > > > -- > > http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! > > email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body > > -- > http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! > email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body