> I cant figure this out. For all practical purposes > (electrically) the PIC is > just sitting in the original socket; no crystal, no loads on > the clock/data lines etc I do things like this all the time. But I always add some power decoupling near the PIC. > Incidentally, my observations are based two different > hardware; the Melabs > EPIC and a JDM compatible programmer. Mine are (of course) based only on my Wisp628 programmer. It might help that this one was designed with ICSP in mind. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.