---- START NEW MESSAGE --- Received: from cherry.ease.lsoft.com [209.119.0.109] by dpmail10.doteasy.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id AB0567440116; Sun, 01 Feb 2004 10:52:53 -0800 Received: from PEAR.EASE.LSOFT.COM (209.119.0.19) by cherry.ease.lsoft.com (LSMTP for Digital Unix v1.1b) with SMTP id <23.00CC7E8E@cherry.ease.lsoft.com>; 1 Feb 2004 13:52:50 -0500 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8e) with spool id 1481 for PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:52:44 -0500 Received: from MITVMA (NJE origin SMTP@MITVMA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.2d/1.8d) with BSMTP id 1699; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:52:12 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.57] by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP Level 430) via TCP with ESMTP ; Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:52:11 EST X-Comment: mitvma.mit.edu: Mail was sent by ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com Received: from scientiffk65yy (roc-24-169-220-130.rochester.rr.com [24.169.220.130]) by ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i11IqClK009942 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:52:12 -0500 (EST) References: <000201c3e8de$233f2370$0b00a8c0@PAARD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Message-ID: <002b01c3e8f4$7e8a4140$8000a8c0@scientiffk65yy> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:52:08 -0500 Reply-To: pic microcontroller discussion list Sender: pic microcontroller discussion list From: Richard Graziano Subject: Re: ] On Capitalism, freedom & democracy To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Precedence: list X-RCPT-TO: Status: U X-UIDL: 371856761 I'm Afraid you will wait a long time for that "gift economy," Wouter. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter van Ooijen" To: Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 11:12 AM Subject: Re: ] On Capitalism, freedom & democracy > > And I'm free to point out what the economical > > consequences of OSS > > are. You don't like to hear it, so you try to prove that I > > don't know what > > capitalism is. Good. Please drop me an email when the world > > turns into a > > "gift economy". > > As things are never 100% I think I'll do that now: (partial) gift > enconomies exist, today, and have existed for a long time. I can't be > certain of the future, but they will probably exist too. > > I am not sure I am interested in discussing the economic consequences of > OSS. I'd rather discuss the (economic and other) consequences of > software monopolies. > > Wouter van Ooijen > > -- ------------------------------------------- > Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl > consultancy, development, PICmicro products > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! 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Subject: Re: [PIC:] Picstart plus as an in circuit programmer? (16F627A) To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU In-Reply-To: <001001c3e4fe$2f061620$5d65a8c0@ISLANDERS> Precedence: list Here's how we've been doing our in circuit programming. We have a 10 pin header: System VDD ------O O----- PIC VDD Reset Chip ------O O----- PIC MCLR system RB7 ------O O----- PIC RB7 system RB6 ------O O----- PIC RB6 ------O O----- System & PIC Ground (VSS) =46or normal operation, jumpers are placed across the top 4 spaces to connect the PIC pins to where they normally go. To program, the jumpers are removed and a cable is plugged in that connects to the right hand pins and is connected at the other end to the Picstart plus. This way you don't have to worry about loading the programmer signals. Bob -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads .. .