---- START NEW MESSAGE --- Received: from cherry.ease.lsoft.com [209.119.0.109] by dpmail10.doteasy.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id A2FE220001F6; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:39:26 -0800 Received: from PEAR.EASE.LSOFT.COM (209.119.0.19) by cherry.ease.lsoft.com (LSMTP for Digital Unix v1.1b) with SMTP id <3.00CC73B0@cherry.ease.lsoft.com>; 1 Feb 2004 23:39:24 +1900 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8e) with spool id 4763 for PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:39:19 -0500 Received: from MITVMA (NJE origin SMTP@MITVMA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.2d/1.8d) with BSMTP id 0695; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:38:29 -0500 Received: from hermes.dur.ac.uk [129.234.4.9] by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP Level 430) via TCP with ESMTP ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:38:29 EST X-Comment: mitvma.mit.edu: Mail was sent by hermes.dur.ac.uk Received: from mercury.dur.ac.uk (mercury.dur.ac.uk [129.234.4.40]) by hermes.dur.ac.uk (8.11.7-20030923/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i114cU115625 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 04:38:30 GMT Received: from E-GCS112 (e-gcs112.dur.ac.uk [129.234.157.112]) by mercury.dur.ac.uk (8.12.10+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i114cS7V018641 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 04:38:28 GMT References: <001a01c3e87b$b069a1c0$0100a8c0@Roy> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Opera7.22/Win32 M2 build 3221 X-DurhamAcUk-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 04:43:28 -0000 Reply-To: pic microcontroller discussion list Sender: pic microcontroller discussion list From: Alexander JJ Rice Subject: Re: [OT:]Eagle help To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU In-Reply-To: <001a01c3e87b$b069a1c0$0100a8c0@Roy> Precedence: list X-RCPT-TO: Status: U X-UIDL: 371856733 although by default it should automatically connect the supplies as appropriate if you simply connect a vcc and vdd to the approprite parts of your psu schematic, if you wish to di it manually you have to 'invoke' the hidden pins which is the little symbol at the bottom right of the toolbar that looks like 4 and gates. regards Alex Rice -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu . 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Return-Path: Received: from 209.119.0.109 (EHLO cherry.ease.lsoft.com) (209.119.0.109) by mta245.mail.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:53:02 -0800 Received: from PEAR.EASE.LSOFT.COM (209.119.0.19) by cherry.ease.lsoft.com (LSMTP for Digital Unix v1.1b) with SMTP id <18.00CBF889@cherry.ease.lsoft.com>; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:08:45 -0500 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8e) with spool id 3159 for PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:08:35 -0500 Received: from MITVMA (NJE origin SMTP@MITVMA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.2d/1.8d) with BSMTP id 5699; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:07:27 -0500 Received: from www.cotse.net [216.112.42.60] by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP Level 430) via TCP with ESMTP ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:07:25 EST X-Comment: mitvma.mit.edu: Mail was sent by www.cotse.net Received: from localhost (localhost[127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by www.cotse.net (5.7.4/5.7.4) with ESMTP id i0RL7Mn8006303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:07:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cr_axtell@yahoo.com) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <001001c3e4fe$2f061620$5d65a8c0@ISLANDERS> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060809020209090609060409" Message-ID: <4016D30A.6020108@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:07:22 -0700 Reply-To: pic microcontroller discussion list Sender: pic microcontroller discussion list From: Bob Axtell Organization: BA http://beam.to/baxtell Subject: Re: [PIC:] Picstart plus as an in circuit programmer? (16F627A) To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU In-Reply-To: <001001c3e4fe$2f061620$5d65a8c0@ISLANDERS> Precedence: list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060809020209090609060409 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Schmidt wrote: > I'd like to use an SSOP 20 packaged 16F627A in a project. I have a picstart plus, but no programming adapter for an SSOP20. > I would like to solder the SSOP20 into my PCB and program it "in-circuit" using my picstart plus (also I may need to change the > firmware later to correct for bugs). > > - Is the in-circuit programming of the 16F627A the same hookup, voltages and algorithm that the picstart plus uses? > (can I just jumper over the 5 pins needed for in-circuit programming from the picstart plus?) Er, well, yes and no. I can do it, but I have a Schottky diode between the F627 and VCC, so that the programmer can powerup the F627 and not the rest of the board. The reasons are (1) the PICSTART can't deliver enough current to power other chips, and (2) large external caps on the VCC line will prevent the F627 from being properly reset. Works GREAT for me. I use a .1uF cap across the chip itself for normal bypassing. I have enclosed a PDF of how I do it. --Bob -- Replies: NOTE-Script, EXE, BAT and COM files will be rejected by server -------------- Bob Axtell PIC Hardware & Firmware Dev http://beam.to/baxtell 1-520-219-2363 -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! 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Return-Path: Received: from 209.119.0.109 (EHLO cherry.ease.lsoft.com) (209.119.0.109) by mta245.mail.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:53:32 -0800 Received: from PEAR.EASE.LSOFT.COM (209.119.0.19) by cherry.ease.lsoft.com (LSMTP for Digital Unix v1.1b) with SMTP id <14.00CBF99B@cherry.ease.lsoft.com>; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:10:53 -0500 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8e) with spool id 3270 for PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:10:45 -0500 Received: from MITVMA (NJE origin SMTP@MITVMA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.2d/1.8d) with BSMTP id 5865; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:09:10 -0500 Received: from smtp-out2.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.12] by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP Level 430) via TCP with ESMTP ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:09:09 EST X-Comment: mitvma.mit.edu: Mail was sent by smtp-out2.xs4all.nl Received: from PAARD (a213-84-20-53.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.20.53]) by smtp-out2.xs4all.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0RL99Mm035244 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:09:10 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <000b01c3e519$cf0e9b90$0b00a8c0@PAARD> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:09:06 +0100 Reply-To: pic microcontroller discussion list Sender: pic microcontroller discussion list From: Wouter van Ooijen Organization: Van Ooijen Technische Informatica Subject: Re: [PIC:] duplicate device IDs in the 18F series To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU In-Reply-To: <37FB7AA6F5F9814FB634A7BF4C35A6F5640CDD@ESEALNT442.al.sw.ericsson.se> Precedence: list > If they *do* share ID, how could you use the ID to separate them ? Rob did not. He used his eyes to separate them :) Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads *** MESSAGE TRUNCATED *** .. .