---- START NEW MESSAGE --- Received: from cherry.ease.lsoft.com [209.119.0.109] by dpmail10.doteasy.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id A011A580068; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:43:45 -0800 Received: from PEAR.EASE.LSOFT.COM (209.119.0.19) by cherry.ease.lsoft.com (LSMTP for Digital Unix v1.1b) with SMTP id <1.00CC5560@cherry.ease.lsoft.com>; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:14:00 -0500 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8e) with spool id 5907 for PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:13:54 -0500 Received: from MITVMA (NJE origin SMTP@MITVMA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.2d/1.8d) with BSMTP id 0466; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:11:56 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com [171.68.10.87] by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP Level 430) via TCP with SMTP ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:11:55 EST X-Comment: mitvma.mit.edu: Mail was sent by sj-iport-5.cisco.com Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com (171.68.223.138) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Jan 2004 13:06:04 -0800 Received: from cisco.com (cypher.cisco.com [171.69.11.143]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i0UL5uCp018595 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:05:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mac.com (sjc-vpn1-253.cisco.com [10.21.96.253]) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24554 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:05:02 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:04:55 -0800 Reply-To: pic microcontroller discussion list Sender: pic microcontroller discussion list From: William Chops Westfield Subject: Re: [PIC:] Process To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU In-Reply-To: <002201c3e735$f38b4720$e7bdf682@space.rl.ac.uk> Precedence: list X-RCPT-TO: Status: U X-UIDL: 371856579 On Friday, Jan 30, 2004, at 05:35 US/Pacific, Alan B. Pearce wrote: >> If you do not have a group or peers in you shop, you simply >> review your own code. > > And one of the best ways to do this is to "explain" it out loud to an > imaginary person. You can add comments explaining how it works to an imaginary future associate. Your code should already have comments, of course, but on this second pass you can add a different style of comments. If you already did "how it works overviews", you can add per-line details. If you already have the details, you can add the overviews... BillW -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body . 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(16F627A) To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU In-Reply-To: <5cad105lt01d9vs48mv5jk8vas1cafgrac@4ax.com> Precedence: list On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:12:15 +0000, you wrote: >On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:51:20 -0800, you wrote: >>- Is the in-circuit programming of the 16F627A the same hookup, = voltages and algorithm that the picstart plus uses? >>(can I just jumper over the 5 pins needed for in-circuit programming = from the picstart plus?) >> >I did that for a 16F74 and it worked fine. Make sure you don't have any >electrolytics or tantalum capacitors on the VDD line to the PIC, the = picstart >doesn't have the power to charge those fast enough. if Vcc is loaded, you can supply an external 5V for Vcc and this usually = works OK, for all but the 8-pin devices, which need VCC on/off control. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads *** MESSAGE TRUNCATED *** .. .