---- START NEW MESSAGE --- Received: from cherry.ease.lsoft.com [209.119.0.109] by dpmail10.doteasy.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id A812E95019C; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 02:55:14 -0800 Received: from PEAR.EASE.LSOFT.COM (209.119.0.19) by cherry.ease.lsoft.com (LSMTP for Digital Unix v1.1b) with SMTP id <16.00CC4740@cherry.ease.lsoft.com>; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 5:55:04 -0500 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8e) with spool id 4970 for PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 05:54:59 -0500 Received: from MITVMA (NJE origin SMTP@MITVMA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.2d/1.8d) with BSMTP id 2942; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 05:54:23 -0500 Received: from rhein.gate.infitel.de [62.154.218.135] by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP Level 430) via TCP with ESMTP ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 05:54:22 EST X-Warning: mitvma.mit.edu: Host rhein.gate.infitel.de claimed to be rhein.infitel.de Received: by RHEIN with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:54:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: <10B80D7CA3B9D611977F00508B6A77BF0FDF1D@RHEIN> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:54:24 +0100 Reply-To: pic microcontroller discussion list Sender: pic microcontroller discussion list From: Simon Davies Subject: Re: [PIC:] Process To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Precedence: list X-RCPT-TO: Status: U X-UIDL: 371856473 Perfectly true in my experience - you must be expecting that the other person is going to produce the answer to your problem even if you actually do it yourself. Explaining it to the receptionist just doesn't work... Simon -----Original Message----- From: Russell McMahon [mailto:apptech@PARADISE.NET.NZ] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:51 AM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: [PIC:] Process > When I used to do 'design on site' installations for solid state disk drives > replacing mechanical units (we are talking good old 14" drives here!), I > would ring one of my colleagues back in the office and explain very > carefully exactly what the current problem was and why I couldn't work out > what was going on. Almost inevitably, before the end of the call, I had > determined a) where I was going wrong, b) the false assumptions I was making > and c) what to do next. My 2 colleagues got used to this approach and just > sat and listened whilst my thought processes tidied themselves up > sufficiently to be explained to others. > Cost a lot of phone calls though! A friends and I use this method. We call it the monkey method - the monkey just sits and listens and makes the occasional intelligent or interested sound. Surprisingly - this only seems to work if one feels that the monkey is actually understanding what you are telling them. If you use an uninformed person as the monkey the answers don't appear. This may SOUND lime a joke but actually works very well. Russell McMahon -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body . 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Unable to deliver message to the following address(es). : Sorry, your message to hbarregrd@yahoo.com cannot be delivered. This account is over quota. --- Original message follows. Return-Path: Received: from 209.119.0.109 (EHLO cherry.ease.lsoft.com) (209.119.0.109) by mta130.mail.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:16:48 -0800 Received: from PEAR.EASE.LSOFT.COM (209.119.0.19) by cherry.ease.lsoft.com (LSMTP for Digital Unix v1.1b) with SMTP id <1.00CBF907@cherry.ease.lsoft.com>; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:57:14 -0500 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8e) with spool id 1545 for PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:57:09 -0500 Received: from MITVMA (NJE origin SMTP@MITVMA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.2d/1.8d) with BSMTP id 3005; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:55:35 -0500 Received: from msg.ureach.com [63.236.74.36] by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP Level 430) via TCP with ESMTP ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:55:34 EST X-Warning: mitvma.mit.edu: Host msg.ureach.com claimed to be ureach.com Received: from www20.ureach.com (www20.ureach.com [172.16.2.48]) by ureach.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0RJtbiV000391; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:55:37 -0500 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www20.ureach.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA06244; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:55:37 -0500 Received: from [204.141.40.133] by www20.ureach.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:55:37 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-vsuite-type: e Message-ID: <200401271955.OAA06244@www20.ureach.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:55:37 -0500 Reply-To: pic microcontroller discussion list Sender: pic microcontroller discussion list From: Andrew Kieran Subject: Re: [PIC:] New to LCD's, Need assistance Comments: To: davescomputer@ROGERS.COM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Precedence: list Better yet, why not emulate the PIC in a rich, graphical environment along with the LCD? Check out www.oshonsoft.com/pic It can help you to make short work of debugging your LCD code. It's free for 30 days and only $19 to own. (And that includes a simple but useful BASIC compiler. Andrew ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag ---- On , DAVE L (davescomputer@ROGERS.COM) wrote: > Dincers's LCD simulator is pretty slick > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Circuit/8882/djlcdsim/djlcdsim.html > > At 09:47 AM 1/26/04 -0800, you wrote: > > >I am new to using LCD's. I am currently interfacing, via 4 line interface, > >a 16f84a and LCD using the Hitachi 44780 controller, 2x16 configuration. > > > >I have most of the code working for display except one part. That part will > >be the question to follow. > > > >The display will look like the following: > >....... > > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.567 / Virus Database: 358 - Release Date: 1/24/04 > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > > > > > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads *** MESSAGE TRUNCATED *** .. .