---- START NEW MESSAGE --- Received: from cherry.ease.lsoft.com [209.119.0.109] by dpmail10.doteasy.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id A8F710A401E6; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:24:07 -0800 Received: from PEAR.EASE.LSOFT.COM (209.119.0.19) by cherry.ease.lsoft.com (LSMTP for Digital Unix v1.1b) with SMTP id <7.00CC238F@cherry.ease.lsoft.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 0:23:56 -0500 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8e) with spool id 6530 for PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 00:23:46 -0500 Received: from MITVMA (NJE origin SMTP@MITVMA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.2d/1.8d) with BSMTP id 8662; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 00:06:45 -0500 Received: from eth79.qld.adsl.internode.on.net [150.101.179.78] by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP Level 430) via TCP with ESMTP ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 00:06:44 EST X-Warning: mitvma.mit.edu: Host eth79.qld.adsl.internode.on.net claimed to be lister.audiovisualdevices.com.au Received: from audiovisualdevices.com.au (david.audiovisualdevices.com.au [192.168.0.12]) by lister.audiovisualdevices.com.au (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i0T56hVb016259 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:06:43 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <098c01c3db7f$58621ba0$e7bdf682@space.rl.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Status: No X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.901 required=5 tests=BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 Message-ID: <401894B2.5050009@audiovisualdevices.com.au> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:05:54 +1000 Reply-To: pic microcontroller discussion list Sender: pic microcontroller discussion list From: David Duffy Subject: Re: [PIC:] Picstart Plus upgrade To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU In-Reply-To: <098c01c3db7f$58621ba0$e7bdf682@space.rl.ac.uk> Precedence: list X-RCPT-TO: Status: U X-UIDL: 371856220 Alan B. Pearce wrote: >>says the Picstart Plus flash upgrade kit needs the >>Picstart to be R5 or later - does anyone know if it >>is possible to use the upgrde on an R1, or modify >>an R1 Picstart? >> >> > >AFAIK the only hardware modification is the resistor mod necessary for Vpp >adjustment. I went exploring, and it is not an ETN, but in an appendix of >the users manual. Looking at the Rev D users manual it is in Appendix B, and >there it says that anything R7 and lower needs the mod. AFAIK all other >revisions of the PS+ are just changes in the microcode in the internal chip. >So in your case, once the Vpp mod is done, as I see it, you should be able >to use the new flash adapter. > >My apologies to anyone I erroneously sent to fruitlessly search the >Microchip site earlier, as ETN20 and 21 refer to the ICD1, and do the same >functional mods there. > >There is an ETN22 which is about problems with overdriving the clock on >16C55A and 16C57C chips, with a get around, but that does not do anything to >the revision level of the PS+ itself. > > I've just upgraded my R4 PicStart+ and it programmed a bunch of 16F628A's just fine. I used version 6.4 of MPLAB and upgraded the new upgrade mod with the new firmware that came with it. :-) David... -- ___________________________________________ David Duffy Audio Visual Devices P/L U8, 9-11 Trade St, Cleveland 4163 Australia Ph: +61 7 38210362 Fax: +61 7 38210281 New Web: www.audiovisualdevices.com.au ___________________________________________ -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. . 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Return-Path: Received: from 209.119.0.109 (EHLO cherry.ease.lsoft.com) (209.119.0.109) by mta133.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:20:36 -0800 Received: from PEAR.EASE.LSOFT.COM (209.119.0.19) by cherry.ease.lsoft.com (LSMTP for Digital Unix v1.1b) with SMTP id <7.00CBF67D@cherry.ease.lsoft.com>; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:40:53 -0500 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8e) with spool id 9131 for PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:40:46 -0500 Received: from MITVMA (NJE origin SMTP@MITVMA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.2d/1.8d) with BSMTP id 9165; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:40:05 -0500 Received: from smtp-out2.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.12] by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP Level 430) via TCP with ESMTP ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:40:04 EST X-Comment: mitvma.mit.edu: Mail was sent by smtp-out2.xs4all.nl Received: from PAARD (a213-84-20-53.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.20.53]) by smtp-out2.xs4all.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0RHe0mf054416 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:40:01 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <015901c3e4fc$97692dd0$0b00a8c0@PAARD> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:40:00 +0100 Reply-To: pic microcontroller discussion list Sender: pic microcontroller discussion list From: Wouter van Ooijen Organization: Van Ooijen Technische Informatica Subject: Re: SCO lobbying Congress about Linux To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.20040127165906.006dc600@pop.hotpop.com> Precedence: list > -----Original Message----- > From: pic microcontroller discussion list > [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU] On Behalf Of Juan Garofalo > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:59 PM > To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: SCO lobbying Congress about Linux > > > Some points : > > > a) > > Scarcity regarding software means *scarcity of brains*. Real, > physical brains. That's not created by law. To write complex > software is not > easy, that's why software has value. Any attempt to deny such > a basic fact > will lead to lots of nonsensical arguments. > > > b) > > Somebody tried to justify gratis software saying that > copying is > gratis. You need something known as the hardware industry to > be able to copy > (or run) software. I don't think silicon is gratis... > > Even if copying were gratis, that has nothing to do > with the price > of software. That price is dictacted by development costs and > profit. Supply > and demand are secondary. > > Software is not different from any manufacturing > industry. There are > costs, there are profits for the people who use their brains. > Any argument > against this is an argument against capitalism, individual > rights, the open > society, or whatever name you wish to give it. It's an > argument about and > against the very political foundations of society. Unless > you're advocanting > for a collectivist society... > > > c) > > The fact that an individual is able to enter into an > open source > contract, or not, doesn't mean that the open source scheme > is right, per se. > > That is, trying to prove the economic soundness of open source > because some people are willing to enter into open source > contracts is a > completly misleading argumentation. > > I'm not ever using open source code if that means > making my own code > open source. Because I perfectly understand the legal > framework that would > bind me if I did. It would be a subverted law. I don't agree > with a law (the > OS licence) wich forces me to give my property away. > > I'm not ever accepting that such an scheme(OSS) is a > viable one for > a market economy. I have all the proper arguments to back > such an assertion. > > > d) > > I don't think Russell is a qualified speaker for what > capitalism is. > Just a correction, as a sample: > > Russell said: > > >A stock market crash constitutes fair dealing as long as > >everyone concerned has dealt in a manner in accordance with > pre-agreed > >rules. > > A stock market crash is caused by public policies. > Inform yourself > regarding the bussines cycle. http://www.mises.org. > > Stock market crashes are caused by the mighty PUBLIC > central bank > inflating the money supply, that is, creating cheap money wich is > malinvested in the stock exchange. Stock crashes are caused > when capitalism > is overriden by the will of a few 'selected' men who think > that can dictate > what the interest rate should be, i.e. Greenspan. That's not > capitalism but > lack thereof. > > > e) > > Wouter answers part of my message confusing a > quotation from > *** MESSAGE TRUNCATED *** .. .