---- START NEW MESSAGE --- Received: from cherry.ease.lsoft.com [209.119.0.109] by dpmail10.doteasy.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id A68797801B6; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:13:43 -0800 Received: from PEAR.EASE.LSOFT.COM (209.119.0.19) by cherry.ease.lsoft.com (LSMTP for Digital Unix v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.00CC2270@cherry.ease.lsoft.com>; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:09:53 -0500 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8e) with spool id 5170 for PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:07:19 -0500 Received: from MITVMA (NJE origin SMTP@MITVMA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.2d/1.8d) with BSMTP id 6748; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:06:37 -0500 Received: from smtp2.clear.net.nz [203.97.37.27] by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP Level 430) via TCP with ESMTP ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:06:36 EST X-Comment: mitvma.mit.edu: Mail was sent by smtp2.clear.net.nz Received: from jc2 (218-101-81-117.dialup.clear.net.nz [218.101.81.117]) by smtp2.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with SMTP id <0HS800FMZGR1UX@smtp2.clear.net.nz> for PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:06:37 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <2193429B07D9914D97216EBBAA6AB8BD1A04FE@whitlam.corp.gli.com.au> Message-ID: <019001c3e61d$7c6771a0$7223fea9@jc2> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:08:00 +1300 Reply-To: pic microcontroller discussion list Sender: pic microcontroller discussion list From: Jinx Subject: Re: [PIC:] Disassemblers To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Precedence: list X-RCPT-TO: Status: U X-UIDL: 371856206 > Unfortunately the security footage is not clear enough to determine > what keystrokes the person is entering > all the same type of coin, interval is difficult to determine as the > surveillance video is accelerated by some unknown amount. :( If you've got typical crappy security footage can you/would it help to do something about that, maybe be a little patient and gather better evidence. Obviously the footage is good enough to ID the user. but you might be missing the discretest action -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics . 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Return-Path: Received: from 209.119.0.109 (EHLO cherry.ease.lsoft.com) (209.119.0.109) by mta108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 07:37:23 +0000 Received: from PEAR.EASE.LSOFT.COM (209.119.0.19) by cherry.ease.lsoft.com (LSMTP for Digital Unix v1.1b) with SMTP id <11.00CC428D@cherry.ease.lsoft.com>; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 1:33:44 -0500 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8e) with spool id 1038 for PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 01:33:37 -0500 Received: from MITVMA (NJE origin SMTP@MITVMA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.2d/1.8d) with BSMTP id 7309; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 01:32:13 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com [171.68.10.86] by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP Level 430) via TCP with SMTP ; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 01:32:12 EST X-Comment: mitvma.mit.edu: Mail was sent by sj-iport-4.cisco.com Received: from cisco.com (cypher.cisco.com [171.69.11.143]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i0U6WCNv012851 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 22:32:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mac.com (sjc-vpn1-253.cisco.com [10.21.96.253]) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15067 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 22:32:12 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Message-ID: <8215EAE0-52E9-11D8-9E8E-000A95E5DF26@mac.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:59:47 -0800 Reply-To: pic microcontroller discussion list Sender: pic microcontroller discussion list From: William Chops Westfield Subject: Re: [PIC:] Process To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20040129125546.01636a58@mail.cedar.net> Precedence: list On Thursday, Jan 29, 2004, at 09:56 US/Pacific, Dave VanHorn wrote: > >> Have you tried peer reviews and code walk-throughs? > > Not yet. > DESIGN reviews might be more useful. Usually, by the time you do a code review, you have code that works at least some of the time, and that can be a lot of pressure against improvement. It can be good for improving your coding style, eventually. At least, if you can keep the code reviews focussed on meaningful issues and not on distractions that are really more a matter of personal perference. (although, truth be told, figuring out which are which can be educational and helpful.) OTOH, Who am I kidding. I've been at cisco a very long time, watching from the middle of the inside as we grew from a tiny company to a very big company. With constantly changing challenges in the "quality" area. Through three different source code control systems, several compilers, pre and post symbolic debugger, half a dozen different processors, ISO 9000, international protocol certifications, and a plethora of test and "release processes." Mostly, I've seen an awful lot of stuff that doesn't quite seem to work all that much better than mere admonishments "write good code." (of course, maintaining even THAT level past certain critical sizes of "the engineering department" is doing "ok." maybe.) Sigh. BillW -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body *** MESSAGE TRUNCATED *** .. .