> No. As far as I know, only the Promate and my programmer > (http://www.embedinc.com/easyprog) verify at the Vdd limits. And there is always my antique WISP programmer (see http://www.voti.nl/wisp, != Wisp628). Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics