On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:56:06 -0700, Dwayne Reid wrote: > In fact, I'd like to pose that same question to the members of the > PIClist - Has anyone ever had a PIC verify at the normal Vdd voltage > but fail to verify at the supply limits (either above or below the > programming voltage)? In other words, Vdd normal: pass, Vdd low: > pass, Vdd high: fail (or vice versa). Yes, back when I was first doing ICSP with my Picstart+ I had a few 16C65's that acted a little flaky after programming. I put them aside and several months later I purchased a ProPic2 ICSP programmer that does high/low voltage verify. I decided to check out the flaky 16C65 boards with the new ProPic2 programmer. They failed low voltage verify. For my own curiosity I re-programmed the questionable units (some with the ProPic2 and some with the Picstart+) and they all then verified at low voltage (and were no longer flaky). I've seen that happen with byte-wide EPROMS in days past also. BTW, the ProPic2 ICSP is an excellent ICSP programmer (and it's creator is a member of the PIClist even!) Octavio are you out there? ;-) http://www.propic2.com Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads