Today someone ordered a 16F877 with WLoader from me. I grabbed for an empty 16F877 and found the (last) tube empty. But I have plenty of 16F877A's so I bit the bullet and adapted WLoader for the 16F87XA chips. This has been requested by a lot of people so I thought I'd better let it be known. The result be on my websiet in the next few days (It needs an update of XWisp too), but if anyone wants a preliminary version I can email it. Note: I currently use GPL for this software. My intention is that it is free for all, except that I don't ever want to pay for a derived version. I still have not found the right license. After thinking again I am not even sure of how some terms of the common software licenses should be interpreted when applied to embedded stuff. The term 'combined' is critical. - is a bootloader 'combined' with its application? - is firmware combined with the chip it is programmed into? - is firmware combined with the (design of) the surrounding electronics? - is firmware in one chip combined with firmware in surrounding chips? Stallman once said that he was not interested in freeing embedded software or electronic designs because those things were not technically cheap (free in the 'other' meaning) to copy. A pity. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads