Byron, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:20:12 -0500, Byron A Jeff wrote: > Software patents are a very sticky area because they are almost always the > tangible expression of an idea, which originally patents prohibited. One > cannot patent the idea of a car, one can patent a specific car. But in software > if one patents a program, then the next developer can simply write another > program that does the same job. So software patents try to grab as much > infospace as it can i.e. (no one can implement any concept of a One Click > Shopping site because Amazon holds the patent). This is the case only in the USA. In Britain and Europe, for example, you cannot patent an idea, or a technique, or a business process or practice (these have been excluded from English patents as long as they have existed) and more recently computer software and genes have been added to the "specifically-excluded" list. I don't know how patent / copyright are resolved in the USA - if someone copies something that is patented and copyright, which legislation do you use to challenge them? Copyright is different though - anything written is automatically copyright, and you don't have to do anything to establish copyright, although putting the little "c in a circle" is a way to remind people of the fact. The original idea of patents was to allow inventions to be publicised, with the "payback" being that they were protected from copying for a while. It wasn't specifically to allow the inventor to make money, but to get the inventions out into the World in a way that the inventor didn't lose out. But the inventor must allow people to use the invention for a reasonable fee, and that includes them creating better versions. If you refuse to licence a patented invention, the patent is void. Cheers, Howard Winter St.Albans, England -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body