> > That package can't get uglier from a hobbyist point of view. TTYL > > You haven't seen a BGA then ? :-) It basically IS BGA, the contacts are on the bottom, no way to access them if you want to solder it to a board. Only way to deal with it is the "dead bug" method, which is nowhere near robust enough for most uses. TQFP is bad enough, but this? TTYL ---------------------------------- Herbert's PIC Stuff: http://repatch.dyndns.org:8383/pic_stuff/ -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.