How about series diodes in the power supplies ? 0.6V drop may be OK (or less if you use schottys) Or run off the USB supply only? RP Found the problem, the voltdrop across the 100ohm series resistor I use with the ICSP caused the problem. I've shorted it out but now I have to unplug the USB cable every time I program it so as not to have power go back into the PC and then unplug the programmer every time I connect the circuit to the PC (Using power from the pc USB ) Has anyone got any suggestions as to how to get around this inconvenience? Thanks to all for their input. Regards Mark -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu