Wouter van Ooijen wrote: >> There are 120 possible choices, so you should get at least >> 130 opinions from the PIClist. > > Yes, a challenge! It has been a long time.... > > Let's count: there are 3 choices out of 6 for the key (others are > mirrors), after that 5! ways to distribute the other signals, so I > count 360. So it seems I can speak for the total PIClist :) I was assuming the connector itself was fixed and the only issue was which way the 5 signals get connected to the 5 pins. In that case there are 5 choices for the first pin, 4 for the second, 3 for the third, two for the fourth, and 1 for the fifth. That comes out to 5! = 5 x 4 x 3 x 2 = 120. Of course this points out that we can't even agree on the connector. Personally, I put RJ-12 connectors with the ICD-2 pinout on my debug boards. That of course works with the ICD-2, which is a big plus. In addition, one could easily hack up an RJ-12 cable to connect the other end to whatever you wanted. I just got boards back today for a hobby version of my programmer that brings the 5 programming lines out to labeled pads, and ICD-2 connector, and of course still muxes them as appropriate to the ZIF socket. I deliberately made this board all thru hole for easy do-it-yourself building. I'm thinking of just making the bare boards available with schematic and parts list. ***************************************************************** Embed Inc, embedded system specialists in Littleton Massachusetts (978) 742-9014, http://www.embedinc.com -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body