Hi Bob, I have not tried these personally so I don't know about any caveats, but it might be worth looking into for your PIC16F648A project: Microchip's ICD 2 can *indirectly* debug several PICmicros that do not have built-in ICD capability via special adapter boards Microchip sells: The 'MPLAB ICD 2 Header Information Sheet', DS51292E, sheds more light on this. Special debugger support using adapters --------------------------------------- PIC12F629 (1) PIC12F675 (1) PIC16F630 (2) PIC16F676 (2) PIC16F627A (3) PIC16F628A (3) PIC16F648A (3) (1) - 8-pin header interface board (AC162050) required. (2) - 14-pin header interface board (AC162052) required. (3) - 18-pin header interface board (AC162053) required. Best regards, Ken Pergola -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics