I suppose you didn't read the rest of my reply which succinctly stated my procedures. Having some yahoo on the radio giving folks a razz over comm procedures is truly a waste of bandwidth; that is my point. Something reasonable that adds to safety , whether in the AIM or not, is prudent, IMHO which your NORDO traffic call would include Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate Duehr" To: "pic microcontroller discussion list" ; "Chuck Busch" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [OT]: USA pilots > On Tuesday 13 January 2004 09:23 am, Chuck Busch wrote: > > >One of my pet peeves is pilots who call in to uncontrolled airport > > > > frequencies that clutter the airwaves with "cessna blah blah blah, 5 > > mi. south of whatever landing, any traffic in the area please advise". > > A few times I've keyed the mic and said quit using your mouth and use > > your eyeballs! < > > > > I think if you called me on that, I'd like to have a talk with you on > > the ground. > > "Any traffic please advise" is a waste of air time. You're supposed to be > listening long before you enter the pattern for the announcements the > other aircraft who are following the AIM WILL BE MAKING. In addition, > not all aircraft at an uncontrolled field have radios, so your PRIMARY > input should be your EYES, not your ears. > > You'll argue that at a busy field your call makes you safer, but at a busy > field, you're making the situation WORSE by tying up the radio. > > There's a reason the AIM has specific announcements called out for > uncontrolled fields -- someone smarter and who had a lot more time to > think about it than you did figured out the most efficient way of > utilizing the radio time while still offering the highest level of > safety. > > If you're asking all the other aircraft to re-announce what they should > already be announcing, you're wasting everyone's time just to listen to > yourself talk. > > The one announcement I *do* like to hear that's not in the AIM at > uncontrolled fields is... > > "Big Huge Aerodrome, Cessna 12345, Blue and White Skyhawk turning > downwind, Runway 18... there is also a Red and White Cessna in the > pattern ahead of us who is not making radio announcements." > > That covers making the announcement for the no-radio aircraft, takes very > little time, and lets the other pilots know there's someone else there > they didn't know about. > > -- > Nate Duehr, nate@natetech.com > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu