We must live in different worlds. It has been about 15 years since I was active as an instructor but when I had a student in the pattern the idea was for him to report downwind, base & final. I also stressed the need for observation and situational awareness. When they were 5 miles out and approaching, they were to advise all listeners of their position and their intentions. Granted, some areas have too much chatter to allow this, but a mid-air can ruin your whole day. John Ferrell 6241 Phillippi Rd Julian NC 27283 Phone: (336)685-9606 johnferrell@earthlink.net http://DixieNC.US NSRCA 479 AMA 4190 W8CCW "My Competition is Not My Enemy" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Japundza" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [OT]: USA pilots > Tony, > > What you are referring to is what we call "flight following" if flying VFR here in the US. Our sectionals don't show center frequencies for a given area, but do show approach frequencies for sectors surrounding class C or higher airspace in metropolitan areas. I fly on avg. 200 hours a year (1400TT) don't use flight following (unless I have to, or to take a shortcut through some controlled airspace) because I suscribe to the theory that your two eyeballs are the best collision avoidance system you can have. There are plenty of airplanes in the sky without transponders or are below radar coverage that atc cannot advise you of. I use sectionals primarily for flight planning and keep them current in the airplane to be legal, and find the two Garmin GPS's on board provide more data and redundancy than do the maps. Both the III and the 196 will show center/approach frequencies for a given location, so I wouldn't find these useful to have on a map, because at the touch of a bu! > tton I can get approach/center frequencies without fumbling with a map, if/when I need them. Think about it, when was the last time you saw an airline captain fumbling around with maps on their laps? Granted, its a different story since they're flying IFR and getting handed off appropriately. One of my pet peeves is pilots who call in to uncontrolled airport frequencies that clutter the airwaves with "cessna blah blah blah, 5 mi. south of whatever landing, any traffic in the area please advise". A few times I've keyed the mic and said quit using your mouth and use your eyeballs! So my point here is that we don't have these frequencies printed on our maps, IMHO if they were all they would do is add to atc workload and make pilots more complacent. I know a few pilots who hardly look out for traffic while flying. Be vigilant while flying, enjoy the view while you are, and you can easily prevent a close call, even when the viz is not so good, without talking to atc. > > Regards, Bob > built/flying RV-6, now building a F1 Rocket > > > > > Tony Nixon wrote .. > > Hi Steve, > > > > Many thanks. > > > > I'm trying to write a small article on the new National Air System being > > introduced here in Oz. Most of it will be based on the current US system. > > > > We used to have charts that had area boundaries marked which seperated > > the different area frequencies to use while enroute. > > > > These boundaries have now gone and were replaced with small boxes with > > frequencies written in them. To me this make enroute tasks a bit harder > > and less safer because in some cases you now have to guess what > > frequency to use. They also want us off the radio as much as possible > > and imply that we are too dependant on it. > > > > This is being touted here as being very reliable and safe as has been > > proven in the US. The trouble as I see it, is the US is much denser than > > over here and has a lot more radar coverage. My argument is that the > > radio can be better than your eyes at times for situational awareness. > > > > I haven't seen any charts from the US and was wondering how you guys > > cope there with nav and radio work. > > > > Looking at one of the charts may help me understand a bit more. > > > > > > regards > > > > Tony > > > > > > steve@WOTELECTRONICS.COM wrote: > > > > >Hey Tony, > > > > > >I'm a pilot. I'm not sure what you need, but I can get you digital copies > > of > > >all US sectional charts. Let me know if I can help. > > > > > >Steve Ruse > > > > > >Quoting Tony Nixon : > > > > > > > > > > > >>Hi all, > > >> > > >>Is anyone from the USA on the list a pilot? > > >> > > >>I've got a few questions to ask about your nav charts if anyone has a > > >>few minutes to spare off list. > > >> > > >>regards > > >> > > >>Tony > > >> > > >>-- > > >>http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > > >>[PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >-- > > >http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > > >[PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics > (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics