How about using light (preferrably IR)? There are cheap IR-receivers available. Also google for 'propellor clock' for sites that have solved your problem in one way or another. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics