>> Robert >> >> Who has been burned so many times by crap USB drivers/devices that >> he has sworn off USB. (Must have been designed by Microsloth). >> P&P stands for Plug and PRAY, remember? > > I used to be like you, I think you should give USB a try again, today's > devices and drivers are approaching flawless. TTYL I have to agree with you on this Herbert. With devices such as the FTDI232BM chip, USB has become really easy. You don't need a USB PIC, and from what I have seen, the USB PICs have a pretty lame USB implementation anyway. Hook one of these babies up to any PIC with a USART, with a handful of discrete components, and Bob's your Aunty. The PIC just sees a serial port, and the PC just needs a simple USB/Serial driver readily available from FTDI's Web site. The PC then sees it as a USB serial port. Could not be easier. I have had numerous successes in converting RS232 serial connections on PIC boards over to using the USB chip. Well ... it could be a little easier for prototyping. FTDI *could* have released a DIP or PLCC version of their chip, instead of only releasing it in QFP packaging. I have said this before ... this chip is ideal for prototyping, FTDI should have foreseen this and released a DIP and/or PLCC version. Who cares about footprint when prototyping ... Rgs Ian -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.