Hi guys, there is a question i'm always in doubt. Let see if anyone can make it clearer. I always followed the traditional rules as the diagram below taken from http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/circuits/parallel_output.html V+ (12V) | +------------+ | +------+ Parallel | | | Port | D1 --- | | 1N4001 / \ Relay coil R1 1 ----------- 5 | /---\ | D(x) ----1k------| Opto- |-----+ | | | Isolator | +------+ GND -------------| |-+ | 2 ----------- 4| | CNY 17 or | R2 | / 4N25 | 4.7K B |/ C T1 +--\/\/\/\/---| BC547A or 2N2222A |\ E | V | external circuit ground But i already saw, and assembled myself a circuit without the transistor, with the 4N25 being connected directly to the relay and the diode. Is it right or wrong? What are the implications as both seem to work well. Thanks. []s Rafael. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.