Try some spear gun rubbers - think bungee cord. Tune it by varying the stretch. Or think of all the old weapons like crossbows, catapults, trebochets etc. Also look up spud guns, there are some that are powerd by just air with some sorta positive feedback diaphram valve and then there are the ones driven by fuel/air explosions useing something like hairspray for fuel. -- Looking forward, Al Shinn -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.