> two 27pf caps to ground on each pin of cristal > Also changed cap values, used other cristals, and other > 16F6284s !!!!!!!!!!! I always use 47pF. It's a little slow starting but it keeps going >, but it usually stops oscillating after a few minutes. If I put the > scope probe on T1OSO or T1OSI, it starts oscillating again Sounds like a physical fault. I'd check for a short and remove any flux that may be bridging tracks. How's the humidity where you are ? But you say you've changed the caps and crystal. Often that soldering/de-soldering would change or remove the fault Are the caps really grounded ? I would have suggested a weirdness in your s/w that turns TMR1 off or does something strange to RB6 / RB7. That doesn't explain why the turn-off time changes wrt a parallel resistor However, as you don't know the cause of the problem, you can't rule anything out, neither obvious nor obscure -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics