----- Original Message ----- From: "Daren X" Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 5:43 PM Subject: [PIC:] VIHH on MCLR doesnt put PIC in programming mode > The PIC is definitely running when MCLR is at 12v as the LCD displays > the intro message and rs232 communications begin. I think John Power made a very important point. !MCLR needs to go from 0 to 12 within a few microseconds without spending any significant time near 5 volts. He suggests 1 us. I'm not sure of that, but I know it needs to be less than 4 us. In moving from your programmer to the test circuit, there are 2 obvious possibilities; 1) If there is a capacitor on !MCLR, it can prevent you from getting up to 12 volts quickly and 2) if the lines from your test circuit are longer and/or have higher capacitance, they can have the same effect. 72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl.net/wb8rcr didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35 -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads