AMEN!!!!! Royce Simmons ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Newton, webhost" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [PIC:] Pic as an i2c slave > Olin, olin, olin: You know... if you had handled that a bit differently, you > might have had a paying customer... > > Now, your bitching him out publicly pretty much guaranties that not only > will he NEVER buy anything from you, but also will reduce the probability > that anyone else on the list will ever attempt to work with you on a paying > job. > > I do agree with Herb. If you must call people "pricks" on the list, then > please leave. If you can find a way to say it a little nicer... like "I was > going to look into this for you, but since you are demanding that I work for > free, and are not willing to take the advice I have offered so far, I will > no longer be responding to unpaid questions on this issue." then I hope you > can stay. Notice how that example very clearly explains how you feel, is not > a personal attack, and leaves the door open for him to PAY you. > > I'm sending this directly to the public list for the following reasons: > A) I'm tired of trying to calm you down privately > B) You have objected many times to off list emails, e.g. emails sent > directly to you. > C) I know this is going to generate a ton of emails from other members > asking that I kick you off the list (at the least! ) and I want > everybody to see how it is being handled. > > FINAL WARNING: Keep it polite or shove off. > > --- > James Newton, webhost piclist.com (former Admin #3) > jamesnewton@piclist.com 1-619-652-0593 fax:1-208-279-8767 > PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com or .org > > ----Original Message---- > From: Herbert Graf [mailto:mailinglist2@farcite.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:07 AM > To: olin_piclist@EMBEDINC.COM > Cc: PICLIST-request > Subject: RE: [PIC:] Pic as an i2c slave > > > OK Olin, I think that's enough now, this sort of public assault is > > unnecessary, unwarranted, and inappropriate for the list. I think we > > will all tolerate "corrections" to the way people request things, but > > this reads more like a personal assault, and that is inappropriate > > IMHO. > > > > Remember, English is not the first language of all people here, so > > you need to give a certain "latitude" for statements that appear more > > forceful then they were probably intended to be. > > > > If you wish to express these sort of abusive opinions please feel > > free to do so, through private email, this sort of thing has no place > > on the list. > > > > Thanks, TTYL > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: pic microcontroller discussion list > >> [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Olin Lathrop > >> Sent: January 6, 2004 08:23 > >> To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > >> Subject: Re: [PIC:] Pic as an i2c slave > >> > >> > >> Robert Soubie wrote: > >>> We build and use CCD cameras for astronomy; ... > >> > >> It would have been helpful to explain this from the start. Your > >> original post gave the impression you were a clueless bozo. First, > >> it sounded like you were trying to blame the PIC for your troubles, > >> then you were using Basic on top of that. Since it seemed I was > >> talking to an idiot I gave a very basic answer, which was to look at > >> the signals on a scope to > >> decide if > >> the signals are wrong or their interpretation wrong (not a bad idea > >> in any case). > >> > >> Then you made matters worse by taking offense at that advice, > >> although you didn't seem actually carry out the test. Instead, you > >> whined about lost time and demanded someone else supply you working > >> code! > >> > >>>> You've got a problem which you've wasted days and weeks > >>>> on, but are demanding a free solution for? > >>> > >>> Correct. > >> > >> This is absolutely the height of arrogance. Someone asking for > >> free help is > >> hardly in a position to demand anything. > >> > >>> I do not see why anyone should be shocked by such a > >>> request; > >> > >> A request, no, but a demand is way out of line. > >> > >>> I have monitored Melabs PicBasic Pro mailing list > >>> for months now, it is full of professionnals that provide > >>> free help to beginners and confirmed people alike, and go to > >>> great extents to this end, including spending time to > >>> actually "prototype" and solve other's problems. > >> > >> Lots of people here will help if you are polite, humble, and show > >> that you've taken reasonable steps to solve the problem yourself. > >> Much fewer are > >> willing to help a clueless arrogant jerk. > >> > >> I've probably got more example code and other PIC related stuff on > >> the web for free than most people. See http://www.embedinc.com/pic. > >> However, I've > >> never gotten around to packaging up any of the IIC code into a > >> form suitable > >> for public distribution. Each implementation is a little > >> different and has > >> some of the customer's app mixed in with it. You probably don't > >> understand why it can't just be handed over for free, but it would > >> take some careful removal from the app, generalize the IIC part into > >> a more generic form, write an example test app and make sure the > >> whole thing still > >> works, create > >> the release procedures, etc. It's something I had been thinking > >> of doing in > >> the back of my mind, but so far haven't gotten around to it. > >> However, some > >> arrogant prick demanding I do it pretty much guarantees it won't > >> happen anytime soon. > >> > >> > >> ***************************************************************** > >> Embed Inc, embedded system specialists in Littleton Massachusetts > >> (978) 742-9014, http://www.embedinc.com > >> > >> -- > >> http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList > >> mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList > mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu