Bbob, > PS Still pondering what it might be that I lack (electronically) > in my tool box to cope with these new fangled cars. > Crystal ball, magic wand=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85=85 The more advanced the technology the heavier and more dense the hamme= r required. An upper limit, set by the laws of Physics, is expected to = be reached when Neutronium* no longer fills the bill. Neutronium hammers are not yet available, and are unlikely to be for = a few decades yet, until the early adopters start to perceive the need for = them - so don't ask. Extrapolation based on modified Moore's law ie Y =3D 1.5 * log2(R) where R =3D ratio between today's attributes and those Y year= s from now eg if an attribute increases by a factor of 20 we can expect it to ta= ke 1.5 * log2(20)or ~~=3D 6.5 years. Allows us to guesstimate how long before Neutronium hammers will no l= onger be effective. Highest SGs now are about 15. Density of neutronium is about 4 * E17 kg/m^3 Years taken before practical hammers can no longer be built is theref= ore about 1.5 x log2(4E17/15) ~=3D 88 years. ie sometime around the end of this century you're going to have to fi= nd an alternative to percussive maintenance for automotive-electronic (or m= ost all other forms of high technology) repairs or maintenance. By then we sh= ould have got a decent handle on dark matter antigravity and cars as we kn= ow them now will be unlikely to be necessary. Not that this is liable to affe= ct either of us much. Happy new year anyway. Russell * While black holes achieve a notionally higher mass density than neutronium their other properties are expected to make them unsuitabl= e for building hammers out of. (eg tend to stick to and/or eat the work, mo= st practical ones have extremely substantial spin which makes location o= f the object being adjusted VERY hard to locate after being hammered, the b= lack body temperature of a black hole of a mass reasonably realistically s= uitable for use as a hammer (eg not more than a few tons) are around a thous= and trillion degrees (on any temperature scale) and have a lifetime of ab= out 1 picosecond. The radiation emitted is rather "hard" and wearing a suit= ably thick welding mask (could one be found)(which it can't) while using a= hammer doesn't seem to make much sense. Black holes which overcome most of t= hese shortcomings are expected to be available in the next few hundred yea= rs but have other undesirable characteristics, such as a tendency to swallow= the planet while you are working on the car. Until such problems can be s= olved Neutronium seems the best bet. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.