Been playing with this programming (downloading) software recently for my= Tait=20 (parallel-port) programmer. It's awesome! Much faster than "pp" (which = I=20 have been using until now), and supports 12f, 16f, and 18f devices. =09http://www.desert.cx/odyssey/ BTW, the Tait programmer is fully compatible with the EPIC programmer. Cheers, -Neil. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.