On Saturday 27 December 2003 10:10 pm, James Cameron wrote: > Having moved into the outback about four years ago, we go through > lots of batteries. I had a new one today, it had been installed in > May. The failure rate appears to relate to high temperatures and > vibration on dirt roads. I would agree with this experience. I do a lot of 4x4 backcountry driving in my Jeep Cherokee and my battery failure rate is twice what my wife's is in her Honda Civic. (She got 6 years out of the original manufacturer's battery, I got 3. We're both on our second non-manufacturer OEM batteries now.) My dad also does a lot of backcountry driving and his battery failure rate in his GMC Jimmy has been about 3 years to a battery also. The "one cell shorted, voltage low" also seems to be the most common failure for both of us. I purchased a "off-road/4x4" version of the DieHard brand from Sears recently. I'll let you know in 3 (or more) years how it stands up. ;-) Their claim is that it's better suited for off-road activity, looking at the case, it appears to be a much more rugged construction, but not sure internally how much difference there is. LOL... hopefully some. That or I'm a typical idiot consumer who'll buy anything. :-) I would have liked to have tried the Optima brand cylindrical batteries, but the battery picked a bad financial time of the year to die, so I "splurged" an extra $30 to get the "off-road" DieHard and we'll see how she goes... As a side note, I'm VERY hard on batteries and electrical system components. I have a bunch of Amateur radio transmitters installed or not installed at various times of the year, depending on communications needs. All pull high current from the battery system, and I do regularly use them with the engine off, so my battery tends to get "deep cycled" more than it would in a typical use vehicle. As a comparison, my wife's car has a single transmitter in it and it's rarely used except when the vehicle is in motion and the Alternator can take up the load it creates. -- Nate Duehr, nate@natetech.com -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body