Hello Wouter, the view you offered isn't so easy to understand for everybody. Someone feels satisfied to spend hours to be able to solve a problem by oneself. I my firm is a couple of programers not able to unterstand to shorten their program to be able to use the cheapest PIC (we don't produce milions of pieces) is much expensive than to use C compiler and PIC that fits. It's the same with equipment we use... programmers, emulators etc.. I don't need to think what is wrong with my programmer being close to deathline... It's the best way how to explain why the project is late... Having microchips as a hobby, the situation is slightly (!) different. The result I produce I will not sell to anybody.... It's like to paint pictures for my own gallery only. I can't count spending hours there. My brother once told me, things you did and not able to sell are worthless. I don't think so as well as you do - anyone can build your programmer looking at your site. Merry Christmas Igor OK, that is a figure. I guess the correct figure would require averaging over N people, most of which would have spend a few hours or less, but a few of them having spend many many hours. I have no idea what the average figure would be. Assuming - half a day is 4 hours - my Wisp628 build-and-tested wou have cost you $40 and half an hour of your time - you will never run into problems with this (at least not into more problems than with my Wisp628) - your programmer has cost you $5 - the choice between your programmer and buying Wisp628 is a break-even The conclusion is that you value your (hobby) time at $35 / 3.5 = $10. Does this feel about right? Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads