Richard, I too have a PicStart+ R4. I bought the pic MCU required from Digikey and programmed the hex file from microchip into it. I'd already done the Vpp mod some time ago. It seems fine, and MPLAB assures me that it will program 16F877A's and 16F873A's so I'm happy. Here's the voltage mod, from the PicStartPlus User Guide (reproduced without any sort of permission) B.1 Introduction This appendix describes how to change the VPP programming voltage of older PICSTART Plus hardware units to comply with revised programming specifications. B.2 Highlights Topics covered in this appendix: * Overview * Procedure * Validation B.3 Overview In order to remain current with Microchip's programming specifications, any PICSTART Plus, Revision 7 or lower, might need a slight adjustment of the VPP voltage. This adjustment will bring the VPP voltage from a nominal 13.75 volts to a nominal 13.00 volts. This is due to the update of the programming specifications, after the introduction of the PICSTART Plus. B.4 Procedure To identify the revision of PICSTART Plus, look at the label on the back. The serial number will end in a -Rx, where x is the current revision of the PICSTART Plus (e.g., -R7 or -R13). If this number is -R7 or lower, use one of the following two methods to adjust the VPP voltage to the nominal 13.00V: Method 1: Locate resistor R4, and solder a 562 kOhm 1% resistor across R4. This will lower the value of R4 and lower the VPP voltage to a nominal 13.00V. Method 2: Locate resistor R4, and remove R4 and replace with a 22.6 kOhm 1% resistor. This will lower the VPP voltage to a nominal 13.00V. B.5 Validation After completing the procedure, apply 9V to the PICSTART Plus and measure the voltage across Capacitor C5. It should be a nominal 13.00 (12.75 - 13.25) volts. If the voltage is correct, the modification is complete. If not, make sure that the procedure was properly followed and there are no solder shorts near the rework area. HTH, Cam Bremner - Canadian Coast Guard Technical Services "There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary and those who don't." -----Original Message----- From: Richard J. Pytelewski [mailto:res0bidc@VERIZON.NET] Sent: December 15, 2003 4:46 PM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: [PIC]: Updating a PICStart Plus R4 Located an old PICStart Plus hardware version 4 programmer and would like to know if anyone has ever updated one of these - I want to bring it up to current PICStart Plus standard. I've been all over the Microchip website and have found ambivalent information. Called Microchip and while they felt that by getting the latest upgrade kit, the UK-003010, and changing a resistor, I'd be OK...... but they left me feeling that they hadn't thought about it enough. Any have any suggestions / experience? Thanks in advance for your input! Richard J. Pytelewski E-Mail: psi.pytelewski@verizon.net -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body