> > There are just some things in English that make NO sense at all > > A lot of that is because english shameless steals interesting words > from any other language where they happen to occur. Whether or not > they obey the rules from the original language. So after you've > imported both rule-following and exceptional words from a dozen > languages, and applied some fraction of english rules to the results, > it's not surprising that the result is a mess. It can even import words from "its own" languages and have them as exceptions to the rules which subsequently develop. eg pronounce "Celtic". The *proper* pronunciation is NOT "seltic" although numerous people say it that way. (Closer top CalTech :-) ). The Celts were unarguably "British" but the language has moved on and left this word behind. There is one other english word that I have met that sounds "ce" at the start of a word in this manner (hard C) and I can't presently think of the other one. But it was probably a Celtic word too :-) FWIW / Interesting: Englanders & Scottspeopleare genetically indistinguishable from the Frenchpeople. The Welsh are genetically discernibly different. A look at British history will tell you why but its interesting to know that it can still be measured. We camped above the Severn with a majestic view of the two bridges. I asked a lady there if she used the bridges often. She said "No - I don't care to have to pay to come back into my own country". History dies hard :-). The annually celebrated hundreds of years old Battle of the Boyne (those Frenchpersons at work again), and the still strongly remembered and felt outcome of the battle of Kosovo (now only about 800 years ago) are two other grand and sadly pitiful examples. Russell McMahon -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads