I have been using my trusty old PICStart plus for quite some time now, and am interested in starting to do ICSP instead, so I can start using some surface mount parts. I have been just starting to look for an ICSP that is inexpensive (i.e. < $200), can program both PIC16's, and PIC18's, is up-to-date with the latest PIC chips, and can be used from within MPLab (i.e. doesn't require loading a separate package just to program or running it from a DOS prompt by hand). I have been looking at the ICD-2, but it doesn't seem clear if I can use it for programming chips in more than just debug mode. Any ideas on the best way to go? All advice is much appreciated. Thanks, - Ted -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads