I picked up a cheap programer from Spark Fun.....they have one for $8 = bucks US....and if you want a socket...$13 bucks....not bad!=20 http://www.sparkfun.com/shop/index.php?shop=3D1&cart=3D26095&cat=3D3& >>> wouter@VOTI.NL 12/05/03 01:33PM >>> > Well you still need a programmer unless you buy a chip pre-programmed with a bootloader > they release any ports they were using when they're done only a sissy bootloader needs ports or pins :) > In this setup, I don't need to move or touch anything > physical (other than > my reset switch on MCLR) to test new code. Why use a reset switch when you have handshake lines? IMHO a good bootloader (or ICSP programmer) allows you to run your new application without touching the target hardware at all. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl=20 consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.