> I have to program the pic, read it, then reprogram it with my app. My programmer (Wisp628 with xwisp PC software) reads and shows the revision code when it identifies the chip. By default it does this only when it actually has to do something, but you can trick it by deselecting all regions (code,data,fuses) and then giving a 'get' command: d:\> xwisp select -A get XWisp 1.08, command line mode hardware: Wisp628 1.09 (fast) target: 18f252, revision 07 (ID=0407) OK This takes just a second or two, and does not affect the content of the chip at all. I guess other programmers can be tricked to do the same? Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics