Short of having a very accurate frequency counter, how does one go about figuring out the type and load capacitance requirements for the average 'no specs' crystal used by hobbyists? (I like the idea of "just connect it"... Too bad about all those other messages I've read where people have had trouble getting their crystals to oscillate...) BillW -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics