> > > Measure the current. It will flow one way as an indicator of engine > > > start-up, and the other way until the battery is re-charged from the > > > effort... > > > > Hmm, now that's a good idea, only problem I can see if > you'd have > to build > > your shunt such that it could pass the hundred or more amps > needed during > > starting, without suffering a large drop. TTYL > > Just tap an opamp/comparator across a small portion of the battery > conductor. Design so that the differential signal will be enough to > consistently switch the comparator one way or t'other. That could get VERY tricky in an automotive environment for two reasons: 1. there is ALOT of noise in care, filtering all that out is difficult. 2. There is a HUGE difference in the amount of currently flowing through that conductor. During starting there can be hundreds of amps. During operation there can be almost nothing flowing (assuming a fully charged battery). Note I'm not saying it's impossible or not worth the effort, I'm just mentioning the problems I see in doing it. TTYL ---------------------------------- Herbert's PIC Stuff: http://repatch.dyndns.org:8383/pic_stuff/ -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads