You are absolutely correct! It was late.. ---------- D. Yates piclist@nerdulator.net -------- Original Message -------- You still need a diode across the relay. The built in diode does not=20 help. George ...... I believe the TIP120 has a built in reverse diode, so that=20 would reduce part count to 2 (resistor, transistor). If you use a=20 transistor without a built in breakdown diode then be certain to add=20 one or the inductive kickback from the relay will eventually fry the=20 transistor. ---------- D. Yates piclist@nerdulator.net -------- Original Message -------- >Can anyone recommend what they'd=20 use to switch 12V relays from a 5V PIC? >You'd >be looking at=20 something (FET?) with a 5V gate & rated current to, say, >300mA,=20 >maybe an Amp, I guess? Gotta keep the component count to a minimum=20 so don't >really want to use optoisolators. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE=20 topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:, [AD]: ->Ads -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out=20 subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See=20 http://www.piclist.com/#topics -->> Perl CGI scripts add WEB ACCESS to your email! -->> FREE 30 day trial! Download today!! http://www.adjeweb.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics