In about 1985 I was asked to design Switchmode halogen lamp transformers for a company here. Running them on normal dimmers was a problem, so I made what is now called a "reverse phase" dimmer for them using a power fet. There where no PICs around then but it would have been an ideal combination. It was a very simple circuit that had built-it short cct protection, also no more expensive than a normal dimmer, and could be improved now with the use of IGBT's. It improves EMI performance because you can put a cap (0.1uf) across the Fet to slow down the rate of change of voltage without putting undue strain on the switching device, with a triac the triac has to charge the cap almost instantaneously with a corresponding high current. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" To: Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [PIC:] 220V Lamps with PIC- best switch > On 29 Nov 2003 at 16:16, Jinx wrote: > > Date sent: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:16:00 +1300 > Send reply to: pic microcontroller discussion list > > From: Jinx > Subject: Re: [PIC:] 220V Lamps with PIC- best switch > To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU > > > > But actually, the Motorola Thyristor Device Data book discusses > > > phase control using zero-crossing opto isolators. By switching > > > complete half-cycles, EMI is eliminated whereas a PWM solution > > > using those PVI optos would introduce EMI. My original comment: > > Actually, there's still going to be harmonic content in a half wave, but not as much as > in a square wave. Complete cycles would be better. If you skip every other cycle, you > effectively have a 50% DC. DC is usually used in the context of a square wave, but in > this case the square wave can be thought of as the on/off time or switch cycle/block > cycle much as duty cycle is used to characterize RF power amplifier duty. When > controlling AC phase, delay angle and conduction angle are the terms used. > > > > > > As for EMI ; > > > > As I understand it, phase control requires that the triac must be > > turned on after the z-c point so as to maintain its conduction. > > But only by a little. The point of z-c switching is to do it at the z-c point because as > little as 10V across the TRIAC at turn on time into a load of a few 100 W will cause > EMI and you've just pissed in the wind. > > Once a TRIAC is on, the gate voltage can be removed and the TRIAC will remain on > until the current drops below I sub h, the holding current - maybe around 100uA. > > > It > > then turns off when current through it falls below a certain value > > at the next z-c point. So you're using the trailing half of the cycle. > > If this is true then is it possible to turn the triac on at the leading > > z-c point (-> no EMI) and somehow force it to stop conducting at > > some point in the cycle while there's V and I across it ? And if so, > > is there any EMI generated ? > > Yes. Any fast edge will generate harmonics. Switching full cycles reduces or > eliminates EMI. Using the trailing half of the cycle was practical because a DIAC > (now we have SIDACs) could be used to delay triggering and I know of no simple > way of doing otherwise and there's no point to it anyway. > > > BRs, > Mike > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics > (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics