> Emacs "is" and IDE :-) Please. Everyone knows emacs is an operating system. I use vi as 'ide' under linux. You write a suitable makefile and inside vi(m) you do :make. Voila. With the right programmer (mine) :make burn :make reset and so on also work. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics