>If you can build a good, cheap programmer - maybe >with ICD support into MPLAB, you can't go too far >wrong. Well the ICD support is where you will founder, as the information is not available for the ICD2 with MPLAB, and 18F chips, and for the product to have a reasonable lifetime it will need these, as otherwise you are limited to ICD1 with MPLAB version 5.xx, and 16F87x chips. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics