>Me too... I just fried two 18F452's today. I messed-up and laid out the >PCB with VSS connected to +5v and VDD connected to 0v... DOH!!!. For >reference, 18F452's get mildly warm when you wire them backwards, and >then go cold (I guess something burns out, fuse style?). They don't work >again afterward :-) Connect a TLC2272 op amp to +/-12V sometime and see what happens... but don't have your finger on it when you turn the power on! More appropriate to Independence Day (Bastille Day, Guy Fawkes Day, Chinese New Year, or whatever your local fireworks-oriented holiday is) than an electronics lab! Mike H. _________________________________________________________________ Set yourself up for fun at home! Get tips on home entertainment equipment, video game reviews, and more here. http://special.msn.com/home/homeent.armx -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics